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Posted Mar 16, 2010 15:11 UTC (Tue) by trasz

1. WinLaunch: Mac OS X like Launcher for Windows If you have used Mac, you might have noticed than it has an in-built launcher that helps users to consolidate all installed apps in one place. This launcher doesn’t come with tons of options or features but this is useful.
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Reasons why I don't like Mac OS X

Posted Mar 16, 2010 16:28 UTC (Tue) by mjthayer (guest, #39183) [Link]

Not just because of those things. I just have the feeling that Linux is closing in in many
areas, including graphics archetecture and power management. At some point it won't make
sense for Apple to invest in OS X, which they rewrite in a pretty major way at regular
intervals. That point is not here yet, but I no longer think it is that distant either.

And please note that I compared OS X package management to Windows. On Windows, on
the whole, you can uninstall things that you have installed. Yes, I know what you will answer
to that, but how do you install the average (native) OS X application even that far without
application-specific instructions?

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Posted Mar 16, 2010 17:05 UTC (Tue) by mosfet (guest, #45339) [Link]

OS X is not a rewrite. It's NextStep + Mach + FreeBSD between the two. On top there is a huge ObjC framework. I doubt they will ever rewrite everything. Best example: The iPhone OS. Only thing that was needed was a bit of cherry picking from OS X below Cocoa and a new 'Cocoa Touch' to comfort multi touch and very small display size.

Installation instructions for a native OS X Application: Move the Icon anywhere you want it. Maybe to 'Programs', in that case you need super user rights.

Instructions for removing a native Application: Drop it onto the recycle bin.

If the native Application is well behaved, it contains all necessary binaries for x86-64 i386 and ppc and runs everywhere.

The other way works too: I use a home banking application that is still ppc only, but it just works with 10.6.2 x86-64, even the AppleScript bindings.

Reasons why I like Mac OS X

Posted Mar 16, 2010 17:35 UTC (Tue) by mjthayer (guest, #39183) [Link]

> OS X is not a rewrite.
They do change masses of stuff between each release though. I know first hand that the
effort of making a certain large close-to-the-system application work with successive
versions of OS X is considerably greater than the work required to keep it working with
successive versions of all the major GNU/Linux distributions. Think Carbon/Cocoa, or the
changes in recent versions to migrate to 64bits. And saying that Xnu is just Mach + FreeBSD
is rather simplifying matters as far as I know.

> Instructions for removing a native Application: Drop it onto the recycle bin.
If only there were not so many applications that didn't work that way! Those that do are one
of the things I admire most about OS X.

Reasons why I don't like Mac OS X

Posted Mar 16, 2010 19:13 UTC (Tue) by trasz (guest, #45786) [Link]

To be honest, I don't see Linux closing to anything when it comes to desktop. Situation is still pretty much the same as it was ten years ago - many devices don't quite work (except then it was sound cards, and now it's suspend). Meanwhile, OSX:

1. Works.

2. Apple doesn't have to fight with people about development decisions, which, in Linux' case, often leads to reinventing the wheel every few years (e.g. devfs or HAL).

3. There is stable API and ABI for drivers.

Also, Apple would still have to invest in OSX, in the same way e.g. Google does it - they would have to maintain their own codebase, backporting things from Linus' kernel in order to keep it working and avoid regressions.

Notice, btw, that the trend to replace own systems with Linux seems to have stopped - IBM is again pushing AIX, and Sun^WOracle says it will work on Solaris even harder than before.

As for installing OSX applications - usually you just open a 'folder' (actually, a filesystem image that mounts itself when you click it) and drag application over the 'Applications' shortcut. To uninstall, you go to the Applications folder and remove the application icon. No instructions neccessary.

Reasons why I don't like Mac OS X

Posted Mar 17, 2010 0:46 UTC (Wed) by njs (guest, #40338) [Link]

> Situation is still pretty much the same as it was ten years ago - many devices don't quite work (except then it was sound cards, and now it's suspend).

Obviously these things change over time, and hardware is diverse and any one story doesn't mean much.

But still, at some point last year I was shocked to discover that of everyone in my lab, I had the only laptop where both (1) suspend, and (2) redirecting my screen to external VGA, were working smoothly and trouble free. I'm the only one running Linux (with Intel parts, of course). (They together had something like 3 apples and 2 windows, IIRC).

I guess multi-touch is our next game of catch-up...

Reasons why I don't like Mac OS X

Posted Mar 17, 2010 4:37 UTC (Wed) by AndreE (guest, #60148) [Link]

1) Not always, not for everyone

2) Well that's the nature of closed source development. Who says they don't
argue amongst themselves and who knows what impact this has

3) Are we going to start the stable API flamewar again?

As for installing applications:

- not all applications are this easy. Try apps that package shared libraries
- how do you update applications? *nix package management craps all over
Windows and OSX app updates

Reasons why I don't like Mac OS X

Posted Mar 17, 2010 8:46 UTC (Wed) by mjthayer (guest, #39183) [Link]

Reasons why I don't like Mac OS X

Posted Mar 16, 2010 22:19 UTC (Tue) by rqosa (subscriber, #24136) [Link]

> can track dependencies for packages (whichis not required for native OSX applications)

It's not 'required' for Linux applications either. (Compile libraries instatically, or put libraries in a directory in /opt and set RUNPATH /RPATH.) However, it's better to have a package manager,regardless of the operating system, because:

1. Without dependency resolution, apps must include their own privatecopies of libraries. If one of those libraries has a security vulnerability,then all the apps are vulnerable. Thishas happenedbefore.
2. Without automatic updating, each app must provide it's own mechanism fordelivering updates, or else put the burden of checking for updates(including security updates) on the user.

What you need to install Windows 10 on Mac

• MacBook introduced in 2015 or later
• MacBook Air introduced in 2012 or later
• MacBook Pro introduced in 2012 or later
• Mac mini introduced in 2012 or later
  

• iMac introduced in 2012 or later¹
• iMac Pro (all models)
• Mac Pro introduced in 2013 or later
  

The latest macOS updates, which can include updates to Boot Camp Assistant. You will use Boot Camp Assistant to install Windows 10.

64GB or more free storage space on your Mac startup disk:

• Your Mac can have as little as 64GB of free storage space, but at least 128GB of free storage space provides the best experience. Automatic Windows updates require that much space or more.
• If you have an iMac Pro or Mac Pro with 128GB of memory (RAM) or more, your startup disk needs at least as much free storage space as your Mac has memory.²

An external USB flash drive with a storage capacity of 16GB or more, unless you're using a Mac that doesn't need a flash drive to install Windows.

A 64-bit version of Windows 10 Home or Windows 10 Pro on a disk image (ISO) or other installation media. If installing Windows on your Mac for the first time, this must be a full version of Windows, not an upgrade.

• If your copy of Windows came on a USB flash drive, or you have a Windows product key and no installation disc, download a Windows 10 disk image from Microsoft.
• If your copy of Windows came on a DVD, you might need to create a disk image of that DVD.
  

How to install Windows 10 on Mac

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To install Windows, use Boot Camp Assistant, which is included with your Mac.

1. Check your Secure Boot setting

Learn how to check your Secure Boot setting. The default Secure Boot setting is Full Security. If you changed it to No Security, change it back to Full Security before installing Windows. After installing Windows, you can use any Secure Boot setting without affecting your ability to start up from Windows.

2. Use Boot Camp Assistant to create a Windows partition

Open Boot Camp Assistant, which is in the Utilities folder of your Applications folder. Follow the onscreen instructions.

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• If you're asked to insert a USB drive, plug your USB flash drive into your Mac. Boot Camp Assistant will use it to create a bootable USB drive for Windows installation.
• When Boot Camp Assistant asks you to set the size of the Windows partition, remember the minimum storage-space requirements in the previous section. Set a partition size that meets your needs, because you can't change its size later.

3. Format the Windows (BOOTCAMP) partition

When Boot Camp Assistant finishes, your Mac restarts to the Windows installer. If the installer asks where to install Windows, select the BOOTCAMP partition and click Format. In most cases, the installer selects and formats the BOOTCAMP partition automatically.

4. Install Windows

Unplug any external devices that aren't necessary during installation. Then click Next and follow the onscreen instructions to begin installing Windows.

5. Use the Boot Camp installer in Windows

After Windows installation completes, your Mac starts up in Windows and opens a ”Welcome to the Boot Camp installer” window. Follow the onscreen instructions to install Boot Camp and Windows support software (drivers). You will be asked to restart when done.

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• If the Boot Camp installer never opens, open the Boot Camp installer manually and use it to complete Boot Camp installation.
• If you have an external display connected to a Thunderbolt 3 port on your Mac, the display will be blank (black, gray, or blue) for up to 2 minutes during installation.

How to switch between Windows and macOS

Restart, then press and hold the Option (or Alt) ⌥ key during startup to switch between Windows and macOS.

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If you have one of these Intel-based Mac models using OS X El Capitan or later, you don't need a USB flash drive to install Windows:

• MacBook introduced in 2015 or later
• MacBook Air introduced in 2017 or later³
• MacBook Pro introduced in 2015 or later³

• iMac introduced in 2015 or later
• iMac Pro (all models)
• Mac Pro introduced in late 2013 or later
  

To remove Windows from your Mac, use Boot Camp Assistant, not any other utility.

For more information about using Windows on your Mac, open Boot Camp Assistant and click the Open Boot Camp Help button.

1. If you're using an iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014) or iMac (27-inch, Late 2013) or iMac (27-inch, Late 2012) with a 3TB hard drive and macOS Mojave or later, learn about an alert you might see during installation.

2. For example, if your Mac has 128GB of memory, its startup disk must have at least 128GB of storage space available for Windows. To see how much memory your Mac has, choose Apple menu  > About This Mac. To see how much storage space is available, click the Storage tab in the same window.

3. These Mac models were offered with 128GB hard drives as an option. Apple recommends 256GB or larger hard drives so that you can create a Boot Camp partition of at least 128GB.

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